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NAHL Data Dictionary
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I've been searching for a NAHL data dictionary to no avail.  I've found one published by the NCAA.  I've also queried NAHL HQ for help but they haven't answered.  A few specific examples of what kinds of things I'm looking for:
1)When does the goalie clock stop on a delayed penalty or when the goalie is pulled  for an extra man?  Is it when the goalie gets to the bench or is it "when the goalie can no longer influence the play" or some other metric. 
2)I've seen OIO posts where shots on goal are burdened with intent. (to be clear, not a NAHL post)  If a defenseman clears a puck from the defensive zone and it happens to make the goalie on the other end defend, some OIO groups do not count that as a shot on goal.
I believe our metrics should be as quantitative as humanly possible so that every NAHL player knows that his or her stats will be tallied in the same manner no matter the rink.  However, I would like the league to come out with a set of standards that we all follow and I would hope they would minimize or eliminate qualitative decisions like 'intent" or "no longer influence the play".  Thoughts?
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(07-11-2022, 06:22 PM)johnlocke Wrote:  I've been searching for a NAHL data dictionary to no avail.  I've found one published by the NCAA.  I've also queried NAHL HQ for help but they haven't answered.  A few specific examples of what kinds of things I'm looking for:
1)When does the goalie clock stop on a delayed penalty or when the goalie is pulled  for an extra man?  Is it when the goalie gets to the bench or is it "when the goalie can no longer influence the play" or some other metric. 
2)I've seen OIO posts where shots on goal are burdened with intent. (to be clear, not a NAHL post)  If a defenseman clears a puck from the defensive zone and it happens to make the goalie on the other end defend, some OIO groups do not count that as a shot on goal.
I believe our metrics should be as quantitative as humanly possible so that every NAHL player knows that his or her stats will be tallied in the same manner no matter the rink.  However, I would like the league to come out with a set of standards that we all follow and I would hope they would minimize or eliminate qualitative decisions like 'intent" or "no longer influence the play".  Thoughts?

John,

I have not seen a book or a manual on how to do things.  So to answer your first question about the goalie clock.  It should be recorded when the goalie makes it to the bench.  That is when he would be considered off ice. Now I understand that this could mean multiple entries into the hockeytech website.

As far as your 2nd questions about the defenseman clears the puck and it has a chance to go into the net and the goalie makes a play to me that is considered a shot. If the goalie would not of been there would the puck have gone in?  That is how we record those stats here In minot.
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(07-19-2022, 11:33 PM)jamessweetNow we just need to get our local procedures codified into a league standard. Wrote:  
(07-11-2022, 06:22 PM)johnlocke Wrote:  I've been searching for a NAHL data dictionary to no avail.  I've found one published by the NCAA.  I've also queried NAHL HQ for help but they haven't answered.  A few specific examples of what kinds of things I'm looking for:
1)When does the goalie clock stop on a delayed penalty or when the goalie is pulled  for an extra man?  Is it when the goalie gets to the bench or is it "when the goalie can no longer influence the play" or some other metric. 
2)I've seen OIO posts where shots on goal are burdened with intent. (to be clear, not a NAHL post)  If a defenseman clears a puck from the defensive zone and it happens to make the goalie on the other end defend, some OIO groups do not count that as a shot on goal.
I believe our metrics should be as quantitative as humanly possible so that every NAHL player knows that his or her stats will be tallied in the same manner no matter the rink.  However, I would like the league to come out with a set of standards that we all follow and I would hope they would minimize or eliminate qualitative decisions like 'intent" or "no longer influence the play".  Thoughts?

John,

I have not seen a book or a manual on how to do things.  So to answer your first question about the goalie clock.  It should be recorded when the goalie makes it to the bench.  That is when he would be considered off ice. Now I understand that this could mean multiple entries into the hockeytech website.

As far as your 2nd questions about the defenseman clears the puck and it has a chance to go into the net and the goalie makes a play to me that is considered a shot. If the goalie would not of been there would the puck have gone in?  That is how we record those stats here In minot.
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(07-23-2022, 08:35 AM)johnlocke Wrote:  
(07-19-2022, 11:33 PM)jamessweetNow we just need to get our local procedures codified into a league standard. Wrote:  
(07-11-2022, 06:22 PM)johnlocke Wrote:  I've been searching for a NAHL data dictionary to no avail.  I've found one published by the NCAA.  I've also queried NAHL HQ for help but they haven't answered.  A few specific examples of what kinds of things I'm looking for:
1)When does the goalie clock stop on a delayed penalty or when the goalie is pulled  for an extra man?  Is it when the goalie gets to the bench or is it "when the goalie can no longer influence the play" or some other metric. 
2)I've seen OIO posts where shots on goal are burdened with intent. (to be clear, not a NAHL post)  If a defenseman clears a puck from the defensive zone and it happens to make the goalie on the other end defend, some OIO groups do not count that as a shot on goal.
I believe our metrics should be as quantitative as humanly possible so that every NAHL player knows that his or her stats will be tallied in the same manner no matter the rink.  However, I would like the league to come out with a set of standards that we all follow and I would hope they would minimize or eliminate qualitative decisions like 'intent" or "no longer influence the play".  Thoughts?

John,

I have not seen a book or a manual on how to do things.  So to answer your first question about the goalie clock.  It should be recorded when the goalie makes it to the bench.  That is when he would be considered off ice. Now I understand that this could mean multiple entries into the hockeytech website.

As far as your 2nd questions about the defenseman clears the puck and it has a chance to go into the net and the goalie makes a play to me that is considered a shot. If the goalie would not of been there would the puck have gone in?  That is how we record those stats here In minot.
James;
We've decided to call the goalie off the ice when he leaves the net-it's clear and definitive.  He's back on the ice when he leaves the bench for the same reason.  I can see how your procedure would work also.  We agree on the shot on goal question.  We also had a bit of a question about empty net goals.  Do they count as a shot on goal for the shooter?  Turns out, they do in Leaguestat.  But LS then takes those empty net goals out of the GAA and SV% calculations so that seems correct to me. 
I'd still like to see a NAHL data standards document from the league.
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